. >> i have six old twin daughters in oakland, california, and we try to have both can we try to live on the border between the digital and analog, between hardcover books and the height e everywhere constantly leaping back and forth across that border. i just had a piece in new times in the opinion section, and i have to say that when it went live at midnight, kind of a little through. but when i got the paper in the morning and i saw it in print, then i felt, yeah, i can go to mom and dad. my parents and say hey, i really got in "the new york times." not virtual, actual. so there's something about a -- hey, it's as. look around this room. we are here. it's baby boomers, right? my students are not here. how many undergrads are in the audience today? >> thank you. thank you. >> so there is, there are all kinds of digital divides, right? but in terms of experience of media among the younger generation, my students and undergrads, the hardcover of esquire or rolling stones is not in their hands spend let me ask this young woman are you because you raised your hand. go to the microphone